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Big Picture Question @ Div 1, Div 2, Div 3

powercropperpowercropper 3 replies1 discussions Forum Champion
Brand new to the Athletic Recruits Forum. Have a 13yo swimmer who wants to swim in college because he enjoys it. His best fit will be a less stressful environment, but if there is any partial scholarship to be had at a small school, well that would be great.

Could someone explain about the NCAA divisions? I understand D1, and know we will not be looking at that level of competition and stress. What about Division 2 schools? Aren't they allowed to give scholarship money also? Why is no one on the boards talking about D2 schools? I am seeing that people who decide not to pursue D1 are then looking at D3 schools as their second choice. Why not D2 schools?

It is my understanding that D3 schools don't give scholarship money? Help me understand what is so great about the D3 level.

We would be looking at very small schools in the southeast only. No Ivies or D1 schools. Open to NAIA or anything else we learn about. Expect Academics not to be a problem for admission to second tier schools. We will be looking for merit aid and financial aid.

Thanks so much for helping me understand the "Big Picture" of athletic recruiting.
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  • varskavarska 12 replies0 discussions New Member
    Yes, D2 schools can give athletic scholarships. You don't hear them discussed as often as D1 or D3 because there aren't as many of them and they tend to be smaller schools without much name recognition outside of their regions.
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  • powercropperpowercropper 3 replies1 discussions Forum Champion
    Thanks, varska. That makes sense, considering most folks on this board are shooting for more prestige and ranking in their school choices. We were more local/regional with our first child's college search, and will probably do the same when it's time to start looking again.

    Thanks for clearing that up!
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  • schoolhouseschoolhouse 4 replies0 discussions
    Look at the trophy case at little bitty D3 Kenyon in Ohio,,,,,,

    20+ swimming and diving National Championships, maybe eight or 11 in a row,,,,,,so much pressure is that? where you might have a D1 where the swimming is NCAA, but just slightly above club swimming.

    I was just at Denison University in Ohio and they had a full trophy case of swimming and diving trophies and from looking at what they have invested in the facilities they are pretty serious and D3 also.
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  • tpmcintytpmcinty 2 replies0 discussions Forum Champion
    From what we have been told D2 schools can give athletic scholarships. They can give you a package deal of athletic, merit, and need based aid unlike D1 which can only giver athletic. D3 schools cannot give athletic aid, however, they can give merit and need based aid. Grades are very important. As one D3 coach told my D that she needs to keep her grades up and he can help find her additional academic scholarships offered by the school above the initial merit scholarship that the school offers. If you live in an area that has NAIA schools many of them also give athletic scholarships and are similar to D2 schools.
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  • fenwaysouthfenwaysouth 5 replies0 discussions New Member
    powercropper,

    You have a number of years to research and understand the differences and many nuances between D1, D2 and D3. My best advice would be to physically see & research these athletes to figure out where your son best fits, and visit the schools.

    As your son matures, you'll get a sense if this is something he genuinely wants to pursue. You'll learn quickly that everybody has different goals and different perspectives on college athletics. The challenge becomes identifying that goal, and then finding the school that best fits it academically, athletically and financially. Those three dynamics (athletics, academics and financial) are the typical lever points that you will be considering as priorities. it is a recurring theme in this section of CC.

    IMHO one of the biggest areas to consider is your son's major, and how difficult it is to win a position or event on starting team. Not all college athletes compete in meets or events. There is typically a long roster of participants, and the team choses "starters" by having internal competition. When it is time for your son, will he be ready to win one of those starting spots as a freshmen or a junior for example. It is very competitive at every level. It is the most frequently looked over aspect to college athletics. Most kids think it is like high school, but it is not.

    So, please continue to research and ask questions. There are many folks on this site that have been through college athletic recruiting multiple times, and have the battle scars to prove it. Good luck!
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  • momof2010momof2010 1 replies0 discussions New Member
    I would also suggest you do look at NAIA schools. My daughters friend is a swimmer and she goes to Fresno Pacific and she got a nice scholarship. Most NAIA schools are private but they have more money to hand out in general. My daughter play bb at an NAIA school and we are paying less for her to go there with here scholarship money then we would be for a non private education. Most important though is the fit of the school for your son. Big school vs small? Location? Size of classes? Things like that are very important when researching schools. good luck
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  • ahsmuohahsmuoh 6 replies1 discussions New Member
    tpm - did you say that D1 can only give athletic scholarship? I am not sure about other sports, but in swimming many boys get a combination of athletic/academic scholarship at the D1 level. Keep in mind that a D1 school only has 9.9 scholarships for male swimmers (and they share those with the diving team also) so if your son can get academic money too - that is great.

    Also - it is probably not fair to compare Kenyon and Denison (and Emory) to other D3 swimming schools - they are kind of in a league of their own! But while the swimmers are top notch - many will tell you the progam doesn't "own" them like some big D1 programs because there are no athletic scholarships - a kid can walk away from the swim team at any time. Swimming often helps a kid get into these top LAC's. I think you will find stronger programs in D1 and D3 because the really strong swimmers use their athletic talent to help them get into acadmically challenging schools in D3. I don't know much abou NAIA.

    OP - your son is only 13 - things will change!!!! Let him enjoy high school and then start thinking about swimming in college in 2-3 years!
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  • tpmcintytpmcinty 2 replies0 discussions Forum Champion
    ahsmouch the way it was explained to us by D1 women’s volleyball coach was that D1 schools can only give athletic scholarships and a portion of a PELL Grant if you are eligible. The way he made it sound it was that was for all sports. (Now that I think on it he may have meant sports like football, basketball, women’s volleyball where the division levels are clear. It may be different for some sports since some schools play one sport at one level and another at different level. I think lacrosse is that way.) The student, however, could bring any academic or need scholarships that they earned on the outside. However, if any of them were related to playing a sport you could not use them.
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  • ahsmuohahsmuoh 6 replies1 discussions New Member
    My dd's bff is going "full ride" to swim at a D1 school - but she got a 3/4 tuition academic scholarship and the rest is her athletic. DD's boyfriend is also swimming D1 on a small athletic scholarship and some academic also. Maybe each sport is different - but I know in swimming you can get both from the university. Both schools are d1 for all sports.
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  • keepingitlightkeepingitlight 26 replies1 discussions
    It's never a bad idea to start gathering information.....it's a real labyrinth, this college athletics thing, and I sure wish I had done more homework a little earlier on. Having said that, I'm with ahsmuoh on the "things will change" thing. As I'm sure you know, the 8th grader (I'm assuming) that you see today is going to be a completely different person than the 17/18 year old who will be applying to college in 4 years. Just as I've seen kids take up a sport in 10th grade who are now getting D1 looks, I've also seen kids who have been playing little league or pop warner or swimming since they were in elementary school decide when the time came to hang up their cleats (or speedo) to pursue a purely academic college journey.
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  • SwimkidsdadSwimkidsdad 11 replies0 discussions
    There are many good options for D3 swimming in the southeast. Emory has dominated the women national championship for the past several years and the mens team has consistently placed near the top. There are many excellent d3 schools with less intense swimming programs. There are several d2 programs which may be worth a look and finally there are some d1 programs which swim at the d3 level. Based on your comments above I would look at the following schools:

    D3
    Rhodes
    Sewanee
    Birmingham Southern

    D2
    Delta state
    West Florida

    Less intense d1 programs
    Davidson
    Gardner Webb
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  • ThreesdadThreesdad 2 replies0 discussions
    Two quick words on Rhodes:

    I met the field hockey coach at the Disney Recruiting Showcase in February. She waqs watching a club who had been successful in sending her student-athletes in the past play to see what was in their upcoming pipeline. Her biggest challange was getting her recruits through the Admissions Office due to the schools high standards.

    Word 2: DD's school just sent their 1st student iin some time to Rhodes in September.
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